Besides the uprisings that were anti-Semitic in the early nineteen hundreds, which is one of the reasons my father came here. Besides that there were what were called programs. Do you know that word pogrom? I think it has a definite meaning meaning against the Jews, where Ukrainians, Cossacks on horses would come through their towns with swords. There were also occasions when the Russian military, both I think after the revolution you know the Russian Revolution 1917? Both before and after. They would come to try to conscript young men of military age.
I remember a story where my uncle Rubin who was the next youngest from my father was hidden in a factory behind some mattresses so that he wouldn't be known. So he wouldn't be...it was compulsory, compulsory conscription. They would just go through and say you, you, you. The other part of the story is that my father's let me see, my father's sister...she served tea to these people as they were coming into the factory to distract them from looking too closely and that's a story I grew up with.